Mindshift: Rethinking Goals and Values

Have you ever felt torn between chasing goals and staying true to your core values? Well, today we're diving into how aligning small, actionable milestones with your deepest values can lead to a more fulfilling and purpose driven life. Let's explore this transformative approach together. I'm Joe and my pal over there writing his to do list, he's Kurt. And we are dudes in progress. Hello, Kurt.

Hey, Joe.

Happy Tuesday night.

Yeah, middle of the week grinding it out.

Yep, it is Tuesday night. I have had a super, super busy few weeks behind me. I got a super busy couple weeks ahead of me. So thank you for squeezing the show in tonight.

I'm looking forward to your topic tonight. I know we've talked about this before, so I'm wondering what spin, twist or new information you're gonna blast me with. I was thinking about some goals actually this morning before you even told me what the topic was.

Life is forever changing, right? And I think a sign of maturity or dysfunction is how well you change your mind. And I've changed my mind a little bit on a couple things. Not completely, but I've melded two things together. One is still the major focus, but I'm bringing in another as a functional process. Do you remember back in the beginning of the year, we talked about values versus goals and how I'm kind of ditching goals? And I decided to ditch goals altogether and just concentrate on values. And it seemed like a real epiphany to me at the time. I was completely done with goals. Like officially, no more chasing checklists and to do lists and all that. I was just going to live out my values. I wanted to focus on only my values and be the kind of person that I wanted to be, not just doing things to feel accomplished. And honestly, I'll be honest with you, Kurt, that shift felt really good. I got clear on what actually mattered to me and who I wanted to be. And if you remember the values that I pronounced at the beginning of the year, where memories are better than stuff, making make sure I spend time making memories and not concentrating on accumulating junk and stuff that doesn't matter. Spend time with people who love me and the people who I love. I wanted to make a community connection, a bigger community, community connection. And I really wanted to express the value of act now and build for tomorrow. So those were the values that I expressed in the beginning of the year, if you remember. And those are great values to have, wonderful values. They have, honorable values to have. But here's what I was finding. I was certainly Living my values. Here we are in the first quarter of the year, and I found myself making checklists and little to do lists and setting small milestones. And whenever I make a checklist or I'm struggling with making a checklist, I follow the principle of go as far as you can see, and when you get there, you'll see further and just do the next best thing. Well, what I found is when I wrote down that next best thing, me, who is touting, I'm getting rid of goals and I'm not setting goals. Well, if I wrote down that I'm going to do the next best thing, what is that?

Sounds like a goal.

Yes. So I realized that, yeah, you can't completely ditch goals. We naturally do it. You can't completely ditch them, but you can't make it the end all bl. And here's what happened. As the past few months rolled on, I started setting these small milestones. Not big sweeping achievements, but these small milestones just to kind of keep markers in my life to keep things moving. Write down the next best thing, go as far as I can see. And when I say when I get there, I'll see further. But those were goals. I. You can twist it, turn it, you can say it, anything that you want. Those were goals. But you know what? I felt more motivated, more satisfied. I realized maybe it's not just about choosing values instead of goals. Maybe it's about making small milestones and setting small goals that help me move towards my values. And that seems like a slap in the forehead, aha. Moment that you might want to say, duh, Joe, of course, of course. But I do want to. I do want to recognize this distinction, the values versus goals, and how I'm going to let go of that flag that I planted in the sand three months ago to say I'm no longer. I'm ditching goals. I'm done with goals. I'm just going to concentrate on values. But there is an important lesson here that you can change. You can adjust. Even folks in our mid-50s like we are, we can adjust and let the process serve us and not serve the process.

Yeah, for sure. Always reevaluating. And I think your problem with goals. Let me see if I'm right to some extent, is that goals are just talked about all the time. It seems to be the cult. Maybe it's a cultural thing, or people that write books and talk about this thing, they spend a lot of time talking about goals. But values are certainly what good is a goal if it doesn't Support value.

And you have to be focused on values. I don't think you live a fulfilling life unless you're absolutely warped, unless you're focused on the values of your life. For me, values are my why. Dude, memories are better than stuff. That's my why. That's, that's important to me. Making a community connection. And this is something that I, that made me really take a step back and realize I need some goals related to those values at some level. Because I made, I made no progress in community connection because I, I didn't have any little milestones. I didn't look at the next best thing. I didn't go as far as I can see and when I get there, I'll see further. I didn't write a tiny thing down just to help me move in that direction. I didn't set those small goals. When I think about values, it's, it's kind of the legacy that I want to leave. It's. It's what I want to be remembered for. And it is keeping that end in mind and your progression towards a value in pursuit of living at value. Face it, that's a goal.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. You shouldn't be so hard on yourself. It's fine. I don't think you're making a 180 with these thoughts.

Not at all. I'm not going to sit down and start every day with my smarter goals list and decide what I'm doing today based on the smarter goals or the smart goals or whatever the latest book is telling us. But I am going to focus on my values but take some, take some steps towards those values and set some milestones so I know I'm moving in the right direction.

This is a complicated subject, so it's, it's fine to continue evaluating it and see what, what works for you. But yeah, I'm excited to hear what you're thinking. As we've moved in, you know, by this time we're into April, haven't everybody forgotten their goals or values that they set in the beginning of the year? So I'm actually really impressed that you are listening and thinking about them and moving towards those values. And if the idea is to add a few goals in there to help you achieve those values, then sounds good to me.

The goals I'm avoiding are I want to make a million dollars this year. I'm going to go on a nine week vacation to Hawaii by the end of 2026. I want to avoid those kind of goals. The kind of goals I'm talking about are not life overhauling goals, but what really is helping me are these small milestones, the little wins that keep me moving forward. There's something really powerful, Kurt, about making progress. It gives me momentum. I think it gives everybody momentum. It gives me clarity. It also gives me a reason to celebrate. Along the way, we talk about our wins for the week. Well, if we're not. If we're not trying to accomplish anything, how do we even recognize a win for the week? Unless it just accidentally happens to us, which we can celebrate those little. Those little moments in life that accidentally happened to us as a win for the week and count those blessings. But I love these little milestones. They act like feedback loops. They help me check in. Is this little goal helping me move in the direction of my values, or am I drifting and I feel like I'm drifting in some of my values even though they're still a value? What good is a value if you're not living it out? So I need it to adjust.

You said something right up front, that what if you had a goal of making a million dollars this year? To me, that wouldn't support your values. If I think about it for myself, too, it's just, you gotta understand the risks and amount of effort that would take. What other things would you have to give up to get to that kind of goal? I mean, people that set that kind of goal. If that's what you value, being a millionaire or impressing the neighbors, having the big car and house, then that's fine, if that's your value. But for a lot of people, it isn't.

I don't want to discount the fact that if you're living out your values and they're your true values, and you happen to become a millionaire by living out your values, then God bless you for it. I'm with you. I'll cheer you along. Right, right, right. Right along your path. But if that's your value, if that's your thing and that's all you focus on, be damned, anything else, that's a problem. And that's where I get stuck. And that's where I get frustrated when these goals that don't have any real basis and values become the end all, be all.

I've always liked life, work, balance. They talk about in the corporate world too. You know, if you go for that big promotion, it's going to require more time. Never appealed to me, especially when the kids were young. I don't want to miss a ball game or a play or a concert. I don't want to Be that dad that's working late and misses those events. That was a value.

Absolutely.

A sacrifice, if you want to call it, could have probably progressed higher up the corporate ladder if I felt that was my value, but it never was.

I want to concentrate more on systems as well. And within those systems you can set small goals. But even to take this further, this is where it really clicked for me. Do you remember James Clear's book, Atomic Habits?

Yeah. It's in the store everywhere I go. I mean, it's extremely popular.

One of my favorites, Atomic Habits.

We've talked about it.

James Clears Atomic Habits, JB Fog. And we've talked about it a lot. But I love what he says here about goals. You do not rise to the level of your goals, you fall to the level of your systems. So if you want to live out your values, and living out your values as part of your goals, you got to put in good systems and a daily routine, a repeatable process. Putting in systems and falling in love with the systems. If you want to call that a goal, that's fine. But I want to spend some time developing systems as well, which was another problem in only concentrating on values. Values are way up here and you're focusing on living out your values. Well, you're never going to really live out your values unless you put some systems and processes in place. And I love what James Clear says in his book as well, is if you fall in love with the systems, everything else will fall into place.

The best example, and one of the reasons why I absolutely love that movie that this story comes from, is Andy Dufresne and his speaking of his systems, the tenacity of all the things that he did, first of all to get his little rock hammer and then to do all the little steps that took. But especially every single night, you know, he's got his little poster hiding his head as he's digging through the wall of his cell for 25 years. That's dedication to a goal of escaping a prison.

So that's interesting. He had a value. His value was freedom.

Correct.

That was his value. And he put a system in place with a focus on that value, not just some willy nilly. His goal wasn't to dig a tunnel, Right. His goal was freedom and he focused on his values and he put a system in place and the goal kind of took care of itself, didn't it?

Talk about consistency over 25 years. That's the part that just maybe only Stephen King could come up with.

Yeah, yeah.

It's just so brilliant that it hits you when they. The way they. The drama of it. As you learn what he did, you don't learn what he did till after he's out of prison.

It's fantastic. It's fantastic. Love that scene when they lift up the poster, they throw the rock.

The warden is getting really upset and po'd, and he throws a rock right at that. What does he call her? Some guy.

Yeah. I don't remember.

Girl.

It changed every year depending on the. Because depending on the bombshell of the time, it changed every year or every so often.

Cupcake, I think he called her. Threw a rock at the cupcake, and you could hear it echoing down through the tunnel that he dug.

So as I. As I think about my values and this idea of setting. Of not concentrating on goals and how I'm. How I'm. As I'm setting aside the idea of shucking goals altogether and only focusing on values, I do recognize that we do. I do have to have milestones. And in order to have milestones, I should put some systems in place, systems that I can fall in love with, because systems create this environment where values can thrive and goals happen almost automatically, organically.

Yeah. If you got the right system, if it's efficient and you're. You're tweaking it as you go, that kind of thing for sure might take some time. I like your idea of loving the process, enjoying, enjoying the effort. And the values are motivating. That's your motivation. Like you said with Andy Dufresne, freedom is extremely a motivating factor.

We're on a stage of life, dudes in progress. Right? You start to realize that maybe your old definition of success doesn't fit anymore. The striving for goals. So I still hang on the values, don't get me wrong. But I want deeper roots. I want to leave behind more than just achievements. I want to leave an impact. But the truth is, to leave an impact, you got to take action. And if you don't have. If you don't know what you're taking action on by setting a goal or setting milestones, you'll just spin your wheels. So the goal isn't the end all, be all. But these milestones, these small goals are very important to living out your values.

Yeah, you got some good examples for what you're doing with your values.

I have a value of community connection. What I need to do is set a goal to connect with some community service place some food, kitchen or something like that. And the milestone, the little tiny goal would just be. Or The. Or the next best step is just to call them. So that would be my thing. I would just call them.

Yeah. I mean, some research would help.

Yeah. Yeah. I can get stuck in research, though, man. I can get stuck in research. I. I need to take a small action and take care of business.

You already got the research done, apparently, right?

Maybe. Or the research comes with the action. Or the research comes with the action. Okay, so that's. That's an example of what I'm talking about. Again, focusing on small milestones, not these big goals. I know our. Our buddy Clay loves to set these big, audacious goals. And that's what drives him, that's what motivates him, and that's. That's what moves him forward. And you can't discount that. I'm just not built that way. And that's all right. We can embrace change, we can embrace flexibility. We can embrace the different things that move us forward. And it's okay to say, you know what, the old way of thinking may have served me a long time ago, but it doesn't serve me now. And that's not failure. That's growth. It's flexibility. It's the ability to pivot, to evolve, to try to something, to try something different. Because I've grown. Even at 50 something years old, we can still grow and we can still stay resilient and adaptable.

Oh, absolutely. I was just watching a YouTube video and I got to finish watching it. But one of the first things is stay, stay people who stay young, even though as they're aging, they look younger, they feel younger. It's. It's all of these things that they're doing. These actions are taking. They're not sedentary. We talked about walking is how important that is. That is so important. I keep. That keeps coming up in my reading or videos, funny enough, but yeah, keeping your mind energized, for sure. You gotta do those things.

So. I can't agree more. And here's an example of what I'm talking about, of what you're talking about. My youngest grandson was over last night and he wanted to play Don't Break the Ice and he wanted to play it on the floor. Are you familiar with the game Don't Break the Ice?

I remember that game for sure.

Yeah. Well, he wanted to play Don't Break the Ice and he wanted to play it on the floor. So I got down on the floor with him and we're both sitting. What can we say now? Crisscross applesauce, playing this game and I'm able to do it. And it's because, quite honestly, that's my mindset. That's my value. That's one of my values, is to stay healthy and engaged in such a way that I can still do stuff like that. I know many people my age that can't. That can't get down on the ground and wrestle around with their grandkids and. Or they take 15 minutes just to. Just to get up from it. And that's okay. If you're down there playing and it takes you 15 minutes to get up, that's all right, too. But that's that mindset that you're talking about. That. That. That young mindset.

Yeah. I can remember telling people I want to go to the gym because I want to play with my kids outside without, you know, huffing and puffing and feeling like I'm gonna die. That was a big motivating factor. But, yeah, I'm gonna be talking about in the next episode. I think I've already started doing the notes, how important play is. You reminded me of that. Playing with your grandkids as if you're a little kid.

That's right.

Forget the adulting for a little bit. Let that just go out the door.

How about forgetting the adulting altogether? Yeah, well, yeah, I'm done with it.

There you go.

I'm done with it.

We're gonna be talking about that in my episode. A little advertisement. How does my friend Kevin say it? Advertisement.

Advertisement. That's right. That's right. So here's the sweet spot as we wrap up this part. It's living from your values, using goals as tools, not as masters and building systems that keep you aligned every single day and set those little milestones as you. As you move forward. If you've ever felt stuck between doing what you think you should do and becoming who you actually want to be, maybe it's time to stop choosing between values and goals. Joe.

Yeah.

And start designing a life that honors both.

Now, I think a goal. So if you're want to do more community involvement? The goal is to begin volunteering for this community group. So when you hit that goal, you should celebrate that. And I'm thinking, what about some of the things that you're doing with that community involvement? They're going to probably have some kind of goals and things that you're going to be involved in, and you can celebrate those so it can continue. But you can also then look back and say, hey, I'm living this value. And here's milestones or goals that I've achieved since I started putting focus on it.

Absolutely.

Yeah.

So you'll still hear me talk a lot about values and living values and how I'm not a big fan of goals as the end all be all, but I do recognize that goals and milestones are an important part of the process. So we'll talk a little bit about goals here and there. It's not a taboo subject with me.

I gave a hard time about people who are money motivated. But I'll tell you what, My uncle was money motivated. And I think a lot of it came from struggling, maybe as a kid or even in adulthood, having six kids and trying to raise them on one salary and then discovering a skill in sales. And he was always talking about money. And you know the funny thing, but with him, he didn't really care about what he did with the money. It was for others. He wanted to have a nice house for his wife and him and that kind of thing. Didn't care about the cars or anything else. He gave it all away. But. But it was a money. I remember him just being very motivated by money, which I was always impressed by.

And that's okay as long as the money doesn't control him. Right?

Yeah. The root of all evil.

Yeah, that's the important part.

Yeah. So, yeah. So I didn't want to be discouraging about. If you are. If money is a motivating factor, that's good. I think if you still live your values.

Couldn't agree more. Let's move into our stuff.

All right.

How about your win for the week?

Well, this kind of fits. I didn't realize it was going to be talking about goals. Not that we had a goal in this particular area to grow sales, but it made me start to think I would like to grow the travel agency business. And I think even last year we. We won this little prize, but we came in third place in our travel agency in a sales contest between December and March, and that's a. A low booking period for travel groups. If you think about it, it's Christmas time, so it's a good time for them to do sales contests. You would know that being in sales, but there's 25 agents in our group and we came in third place. So quite proud of that. Most of that is from my podcasting efforts. I would say probably 90 to more percent of that if people who support my podcast. So I felt really good about it. I'm glad my wife and of course they have to do a good job or they wouldn't get return customers and all that. So third place. Quite proud of it. And I think the other agents, they focus in on other travel besides Disney. They do lots of other things. I'm trying to see if we can do some more things in that area, but quite proud of that. It was fun to learn that we won third place.

That's awesome, man. I dig that.

Thanks, pal. A lot.

Very cool. Very cool. Yeah, Congratulations.

We always talk about in podcasting, everyone wants to know, hey, how could I make some income off my podcasting? So I feel quite proud that I've been able to achieve that over the last. Well, you know what? I hit my 11 year anniversary for geeking on WDW.

That's amazing.

In April 2nd. I, I was recording with someone on April 2nd and I went, hey, I don't know what popped in my head. This is my 11 year anniversary. Forgot all about it.

Congrats, man.

Yeah. What was your win?

My win for the week is I spent last weekend visiting my daughter in law and grandkids and son in law. It was a blast. Again, we know this when these events happen. This is going to be my win for the week. We went to a hockey game, archery match, Cub Scout fun. Went to a baseball game, Little league baseball and Little league baseball. My, My grandson plays baseball. I still call it Little League. I don't know what the organization. I still call it Little League. Now he's over, he's 10 years old. So, okay, it's bigger than, it's bigger than T ball, but what a blast. Had an absolute great time and it's funny. And I'm going to call this a win for the week. I've been following the keto lifestyle off and on for a while, but I've been doing it for several weeks now, almost without fail. But a win that I'm going to the win, A win for the week is I'm going to. Part of my win for the week is I went off the plan. I realized that, hey, I don't have to say no to the things that bring me joy. And if my grand. If my grandson hands me a donut that he made in the skillet by himself, I'm eating it, man. Right?

Yeah.

If my, if my granddaughter wants to share a cupcake with me, I'm eating it. If she wants to give me a piece of candy, I'm eating it. It's not worth that. It's not worth saying, oh no, honey, I'm. I've got to watch my. Whatever my ketosis numbers and make sure My macros are all in line. I'm eating it, man. And that's a win. That's a mindset shift for me and a win for me to realize, number one, you don't go crazy and weird about it. You enjoy the moment. But number two, you get right back on the horse.

You don't have to eat a dozen donuts.

I could.

On a weekend. Yeah. With your grandkids. I think you owe yourself. You're right. It's more important to the grandkids than to any little crazy diet you're trying to stick to.

I will say this. I feel a lot better on it.

Yeah.

Because when I came back. When we came back Sunday night, who. I felt terrible.

Okay. So getting back on the wagon.

Get right back on it.

Good for you. Love it. How about.

How about your resource?

Well, like I was saying, I was thinking about growing the business again. This is getting back into having something when not working the day job anymore, semi retired. I don't know how I came across this. I know about it. Maybe everybody knows about it. But I like the costs in the training that you can get from the score, score.org which is retired people who donate their time and they give you lots of free mentoring resources and education. And I found an amazing video that I started watching on email marketing from a fellow who worked at Constant Contact. I think he owned it or something. I mean, he was like, on the board or whatever. He was CEO. And so I'm expecting to watch some of these webinars and I could. I see where you could go into their website, pick a particular area you're interested. So I was looking at travel and do a little filter, and they'll give you some free mentoring people. So I was going to share this with you, Joe. I know you probably know who SCORE is, but, you know, thinking of as you're getting involved in your side gigs and coaching, this could be something we could both try out. But I'm really interested in doing that. I want to find some people who are experienced, who have lived. Walked. Talk the walk. Walk the talk. How do you say it?

Yep, yep.

And I like the cost. I'm trying to bootstrap this as much as possible. And yeah, so look at score. Look for score.org and see if that website or the free resources they have and maybe even get into a mentoring program with someone.

I've heard of Score a lot, Kurt, and I think it's like the senior corps of retired executives or the service corps of Retired executives. It's through the small Business administration.

Yes.

And they've real. They've helped many entrepreneurs that I know. I know. I have a good friend of mine that built a theming business. He builds, he builds themes like at Kings island and the zoos. I mean, just nationwide, worldwide stuff.

Oh, wow.

And he's. And he's become nationally acclaimed and he started off as a just a small graphic artist making signs and trying to make life happen. And then he hooked up with Score and really helped his business blossom. Now he's a multimillion dollar company that does incredible work across the country.

Awesome. What's your resource?

My resource is interesting. Did I ever tell you how easily I fall asleep on an airplane?

Maybe.

Yes. As soon as I sit down on an airplane, it doesn't matter. I'm falling asleep. I don't know what it is. Especially after the airplane is in flight. Man, I am out. And I always wondered about this until I started reading about it and doing a little bit of research and found this thing called brown noise. Did you know that noise is identified by colors? Like you've heard of white noise, of course, the fuzz on the static on the tv. But there's brown noise and pink noise and white noise and even green noise. That all kind of resonate with us in a different way. Well, I have, I think I have a little touch of adhd and my. I'll never admit that to my daughters because they've been saying that to me for years. But I have found two things. Number one, if I play brown noise in some earbuds, my concentration is phenomenal. It really is.

Okay.

Also, if I play brown noise as I'm going to sleep, I fall asleep so much easier. I don't. I'd like to understand the dynamics behind this, but if you're having trouble concentrating or you need to really kind of go into monk mode, which is what I do, Try playing look up brown noise on YouTube. But they're all over the place. Look up brown noise on YouTube and play it at a volume that is loud enough to drown everything else out. And I'll bet you you concentrate easier. It's really made a difference for me.

I've heard you speak of this. I don't know the difference between white and brown noise. I've never checked it out. And my daughter uses a sleep machine. I, I think she's doing white noise on that. She's got a loud machine to do it. Not doing YouTube or anything. She's got a real machine and there's probably machines that do brown noise too. On Amazon or whatever.

As I understand it, white noise is a higher pitched even noise. Even sound, brown noise is a little. Is deeper and rumblier, I guess you would say. That's why I kind of compare it to sitting on an airplane. But it really does help me, help me concentrate when I'm at work. And I've used it a handful of times and it makes a difference, dude. Not sure why. I'm not sure how, but it makes a difference.

Now I know why people on the plane, as I look around, are all sleeping. I always wondered about that.

I've got some funny sleep stories to tell you about on about 6.

I can't really fall asleep on a plane too. Great. Funny enough I can get a little dazed, but I don't know that I ever go out altogether.

Let's wrap up with our quotes.

I got a short quick one from someone who I've not seen a lot of quotes from, which is kind of surprising when you hear who it is. When your values are clear to you, making decisions becomes easier. Roy E. Disney. Roy is Walt's brother. No one ever knows who he is or what quotes he has. But I kind of really resonated with that one. It's pretty simple. Talked about values. I know you would like that.

How true is this, man? I love this.

So easy, right?

When your values are clear to you, making decisions becomes easier. So if you're having a hard time making decisions, if we kind of take this in inverse, if you're having a hard time making decisions, you probably need to work on establishing some values in your life. Well, my quote comes from none other than Bruce Lee himself.

We love Bruce Lee. I had a poster as a kid. I had that famous poster in my room of Bruce Lee from A Game of Death.

Is that the one with the kind of star behind him and his stance?

Yeah. The scratches across his chest.

Oh, it's great.

Yeah.

Oh, it's great. I love that, man. Bruce Lee. I remember being a little kid and Bruce Lee used to wear these black pants and no shirt. And all the little kids were running around with black pants and no shirt and making nunchucks out of taking their mom's mop handle or broom handle, cutting it in half and making nunchucks out of them. We all did that, man. It was. It was a blast. I loved it. I was always a fan of Bruce Lee and what he stood for. If you watch some of his documentaries or. Or read about him, he was a deep, deep guy, that. Very philosophical, very focused and a tough, tough dude.

Oh, yeah. But I knew Kung Fu. Kung Fu was a big part of that. So, yeah, there's a lot of philosophy. It's not just the fighting out. We all know because we were kids that watched the show Kung Fu with David Carradine.

Do you know what? Here's a little trivia.

Yeah.

Bruce Lee. That idea originated with Bruce Lee.

Right.

Bruce Lee brought it to the production company and with the intention of starring in Kung Fu.

That's right.

And they gave it to that.

What is it?

Dave Carradine.

Yeah.

Isn't that amazing?

I think they didn't think a Chinese person would. Would the American public would accept.

Yeah.

Wasn't that it? It was a prejudice.

Absolutely.

Yeah.

Absolutely. What a shame. What a shame.

Incredible. Yeah. Watch.

Well, Bruce Lee said, a goal is not always meant to be reached. It often serves simply as something to aim at.

That makes. See, that's exactly the way you feel.

It is.

It sums it right up. From someone who would know.

Think about that. What I love most about this quote is the goal serves you don't serve the goal. You're in control. The goal serves you simply as something to aim at. It's not meant to be reached. It's just to point you towards your values and help you move in that direction. Thanks, Bruce.

Some goals are just really out of your control. Sometimes I think of sports. Oh, my gosh. As a kid playing sports and having a goal to win the championship, and you do every. If you put every last bit of effort, you never know. I mean, we had a kid that went down, top player on our team, and we knew we could reach that goal. We worked at it for years and years, but, you know, we sure had a lot of great memories of winning lots of games and doing right. But I felt bad. I was watching the girls national championship because UConn was in it. I think maybe the second game I watched all year. Boy, UConn women really came on strong and were crushing everybody. But the poor girls crying at the end, that came in second place. I mean, what do they have to be ashamed about?

Nothing at all.

64 teams in that tournament and they. They made it to the last two.

What fun. Well, let's wrap it up right there. Our website is dudesinprogress.com dudesinprogress.com if you want to reach out to us. Our email address is dudesinprogress.com dudesinprogress.com Remember, if you're trying to establish your values or reach a goal, you gotta just keep making progress, right? It's better than perfection. Just move forward.

I like this, Joe. I'm glad you're giving me permission to set goals again. After you shut me down at the beginning of the year. I was thinking about this, and I'm. I'm motivated to set some goals to help me to get better just by having it out there. I don't have to reach it like Bruce Lee says, but maybe I'll just get better.

Well, make the goal serve you. You don't have to serve the goal. Fair enough?

It's fair. Have a great week, everyone.

Talk to you soon.